Immigration Law Debates It's Not Heard If It's Not Said

Immigration Dilemma…

Posted on June 17, 2010

For more than a month, Immigration.Civiltalks.com has been highlighting the situation over the controversial Arizona Immigration Law. While the question is up for debate, a lot of bright and reasonable thoughts were shared on the site's forum. Opinions differ but there is one thing that unites them all – America needs change. The immigration system of the country falls short of our real needs. Thomas Menino, Boston Mayor, said: “It’s a message saying America is a land of opportunity...Now there’s one little state out there saying, we don’t want that land of opportunity.” Of course, we shouldn't toss aside this argument! But don't exclude the fact that if the flood of illegal immigrants continues to emerge into the country, there will be no more good opportunities left and the American society, such as we know it, built on the rule of law will no longer exist.

However the question arises as to whether Arizona Immigration Law is a right start. Unfortunately,  a declining housing market is just one of the many negative fiscal impacts of SB 1070. Arizona's pending immigration law increases the number of foreclosures in the Phoenix area. Housing experts anticipate that SB 1070 will not only drive illegal but legal citizens as well.

Do you think the legal challenges to the Arizona law could be more expensive for the state than the cost of illegal immigration? Are real estate agents and mortgage brokers responsible for “doing their part” to curb the illegal immigration problem?

Not to forget that while there is no solid Federal Immigration Reform, illegal immigrants will solely travel from one state to another, and the problem will persist continuously on the national level.

The second area of concern is so called 'anchor babies'. Now an Arizona legislator is working on a plan that would defy the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution by denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants born in this country. So it comes out that Arizona acts against the Constitution, but....should such Constitution exist when 70% of citizens oppose it?

Now both sides are ready for a fight that is destined to decide the future of immigration in USA. Jan Brewer said she is ready for the law suit which according to Hillary Clinton's comments in Ecuador is going to be filed against the act by the Obama Administration. The brave Republican Governor of Arizona said: "We are not going to back away from this issue....We are going to pursue it, we're going to be very aggressive," Brewer said. "We'll meet them in court ... And we will win."

Given the circumstances we're wondering could Brewer be the next iron lady or maybe, who knows...the future president of The United States of America? Since nothing has been decided yet and too little attention has been paid by the current Administration towards the Law that all Americans have been discussing for months now...maybe it is time for a big change?

These are only a few questions which Arizona Immigration Law raises. Actually, there are much more...and all of them boil down to the most important one - will this law solve the immigration problem? In case it won't,  what  alternative solution can you suggest?

Comments (202)
  1. The majority of Mexicans coming over are good decent people trying to escape a despotic poor country for a better life. But it is against the law and the law is not being strictly enforced by the Feds and the Employers who hire them. Arizona is the “point” state on this issue and i hope it will resonate all the way to D.C. and get a fence built. We are spending gobs of (phoney) money on pork and bailouts, etc to prop up losers and state governments, why cant we spend it on securing our border FIRST !! After that is DONE (yes completed and verified), we can move on to dealing with the illegals that are still in-country. If we stop the leak, we can deal with the flood. The Feds want “comprehensive” reform (a code word for doing nothing). What ever happened to the phrase “..one thing at a time”? I guess with government its “everything all at once”.

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    • Not hard to agree with Steve Connor. The SAVE Act, introduced by Heath Schuler (D-TENN) before the last election cycle and got quite a few co-sponsors. It’s seemed like a very good approach. Universal use of E-Verify will not allow companies to hire illegals (at least not legally!) and should curb any stealing of social security numbers (thus ending the jobs “magnet”). The bill also eliminates chain migration, VISA lottery, anchor citizenship, and the like which curbs the social benefit “magnet”. This way immigrant still get to come here and make money, but must go home when their work period is up, ready to come back (legally) for another work period. Very fair. Very doable. Funny how not one word about the SAVE Act has been whispered in the media since it was killed in summer of ‘08.

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      • Heath Shuler is a Democrat and temporarily “represents” North Carolina. We have very high unemployment here in NC and many Americans have lost factory jobs. ICE cracked down on a couple of employers of illegals, which sent a message to illegals at other companies. They cleared out on their own. American citizens are still competing for the same jobs as illegals. Just who is the SAVE ACT intended to save???

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        • Big O…from S.C
          ..
          “The Save Act” can be explained by,” shovel ready jobs”/promised along the “”trail of tears,” in the trillions’ /we now call our National debt.

          China owes us now.
          How’s your Chinese?
          That will be push #3 if you using a phone.

          The State of Pa just passed some legal changes towards hiring American worker,. Imagine that!

          They estimated that just in construction jobs in the State of PA /between 18,000 and 35,000 jobs were being taken by illegals living there.
          They are required to use E-Verify now.

          You all better get ready for the exit South because when the incentives go, and the benefits go, and all of America understands that illegal means against the law.
          Your state may increase over night in size.

          But what you must understand in S.A is /America must get our broken border secured as in military secured.
          It is really that bad here and you in S.C should understand that as well.
          Obama is punishing AZ by with-holding any help and refuses to secure the borders .
          He think that Arizonians and American have short memories.
          We do not.
          You do not.
          His duplicity not to “portect America. ”
          His ignoring all requests for help to AZ as a border state/ is certainly treason on all levels.
          The contract he is breaking is the US Constitution.
          The moral contract also of turning his back on the National Security fo all of America.
          And the arrogance to think we will forget about it.

          SupportAZ,
          Support America for Americans
          NO AMNESTY!

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  2. And I also support moves to challenge the current intepreation of the 14th Amendment. I was not around when the 14th Amendment was written but there would seem to be solid historical evidence as to why it was written the way it is. Nonetheless, in this day and age it is inconceiveable to me that we would grant citizenship to the children of someone who is here illegally. It becomes an incentive to continue to violate our laws, overcrowd our schools, and create more of a tax burden on the 45-50% of us that actually pay taxes. It belittles the value of being an American Citizen, threatens the freedoms we enjoy and our quality of life. We have US Citizens who live below the poverty level, US Children that go to poorly run and maintained schools, our healthcare system is stressed. I served my country to protect this great country and keep it strong I will not standby and watch that be destoyed by an out-of-date immigration policy, including the massive migration of high-tech workers from India, and the illegal immigration through our southern border. It’s time for a reasoned and well thought out approach that ensures the USA continues as the greatest Country in this little world of ours.

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  3. I hopw Virginia will pass the immigration law just like Arizona. I fully support the law. I am an immigrant and
    came to USA by the book. The new immigrant should respect the law and wait for their trun to enter legaly and NOT illegal way.

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    • I hope Virginia passes a law that tries to get rid of anybody that “looks like a terrorist”. You would not be looking down on others, Mohammed! Get off your high horse… Just because you were lucky enough to get the papers, others are not and all they are trying to do is survive. Yawn!

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      • He is a legal citizens against illegal aliens. Are YOU an illegal alien?

        As far as the ‘trying to survive’ part..read the hundreds of other posts for your answer to that.

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    • probably you should be arrested, you sound Pakistani, and Pakistani sound like terrorist, are you trying to show your self a good citizen, but your mind want to destroy ther US, I may have to report you to the FBI…to take closer look at you..

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  4. Kids of consulate officials from other nations don’t get citizenship automatically when they are born in the USA, neither do sons or daughters of parents from the different native American nations even if they are born in regular hospitals. Why then, someone crossing the border illegally gets to define the citizenship of their offspring by them selves?
    As a legal immigrant, it is insulting that the left lumps me and my family with all the illegal aliens who overstay their visas, enter illegally, falsify documentation, use other peoples SSNs, drive without a license, don’t assimilate into the American culture, don’t learn the language, and generally ignore or outright reject the history, culture and laws of this grate nation. It took 20 years to get this bad; close the border and let’s have them leave even if it takes 10 years to accomplish. NO AMNESTY!

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    • Excellent points Erik! It IS insulting to those who have come here the ‘legal way’! I believe having to go through the process makes you appreciate our Country, it’s laws, etc. We are being totally taken advantage of!

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    • Although I agree that the 14th amendment needs to be slightly change .. the idea that most people believe that both parents needs to be U.S citizen, I find a bit troublesome… I will agree that at least one parent should be a U.S citizen.. I can see how that can be abused but I find the other way too extreme.. I also find the debate and change over 14th Amendment is something that should be done in the future and that the 1st thing that needs to be done is to secure our borders.

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  5. I would like to see more laws like AZ law to be honest. My parents came here the legal way and I think everyone else should do the same.

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    • I support the AZ illegal immigration but let’s also admit that current immigration reform in place is way outdated, If your lucky a 10 year wait time … I’ll also admit that illegal immigrants is probably one of the reason that cause this long of a wait time and why it has never been change and/or updated.

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  6. all states baby get em gone vamo
    se

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  7. OBAMA LOST MY VOTE TODAY: when he and Clinton state there will be a Federal lawsuit challenging Arizona’s immigration bill. Any person that opposes the AZ law either doesn’t understand or hires illegal workers at the expense of US Citizens. It is so bad in Arizona, that it is out of control.

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    • Thanks Barb, and getting worse .

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    • yeah and all AZ is doing is fixing a problem with a problem.. so did anybody’s great grandparents come from Europe. What if their was a fence when you got here and the Natives Americans had built a fence. I agree that we need reform but fighting fire with fire is no solution it’s only going to make everything worse. Just wait and hope to God no women and children get hurt in this immoral and unjust way of handling this problem. It will make your AZ life more miserable than ever.

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      • Spain is in Europe…….ALL natives speak Derived Atztec,Toltec,Mayan dialects….they ate people and dismembered heads and bodies just like the Cartels and Hezbolah partners that use ILLEGAL ALIENS as a Cover story for CRIMINAL ACTIVITY>>>>>>What part don’t you understand….Cartels luv making billions of dollars…..

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  8. Immigration reform;
    If you have entered this country illegally, you may NEVER become a citizen and your children may NEVER become citizens. Also, add huge fines for employers of illegal aliens, and STOP calling them immigrants. Immigrants are welcome, illegal aliens must not be allowed.

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  9. What part of illegal are you not gettin :?:

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  10. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer expressed outrage Thursday over Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s comments that the Obama administration will sue over Arizona’s controversial immigration law — and Brewer said she’s ready for a fight. “We are not going to back away from this issue,” Brewer said. “We are going to pursue it, we’re going to be very aggressive,” Brewer said. “We’ll meet them in court … And we will win.”She added: “The population of America agrees with Arizona.”

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    • jan your my hero make it happen

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    • She looks like satan. BACK! BACK!! I say I rebuke you Satan In the name of JESUS I rebuke you. One Nation under God. Hm I think one idiot even said that if a child is born fin the united states by an Illegal person they should’nt be a citizen either hmmm…. Well thats dam near every body pilgrim pppilgrim. Wow to think immigration laws after 1996 only benefit terrorist. I dont give a dam about Pablo,Ching ling,O malley,Winston,jean pierre or who the ever hard ass workin baby mama ,baby daddy orange pickin meat packin contruction working house keeping in your lazy ass face is doing!!! The terrorist is the focus here people. these governing athourities and their minions need to stop distracting the public an get back to the real deal. I love America an screw all you who dont like the way its being run! GOD BLESS AMERICA and God bless Obama It is what it is make the best of it one life people lets get back to living it. grow something be creative. Volunteer to clean up the oil spill. Its a big ass country we need other countries help just same lets work it out! love and peace people love an peace.

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      • I’d like to know where you live Mary Jenkins, that you think it’s all peachy-keen! I live in Arizona, and along with hardworking honest illegals, there are terrorists coming into the country as well. You ignoring that fact IS part of the problem! And along with the terrorists come the drug cartel members, members of the Mexican mafia/gangs, and human traffickers. Just how is Obama solving the problem? By filing lawsuits against a State of the union that is trying to do something about the border problems, and giving money to Mexico. And who the heck are you to say someone looks like Satan? For all I know you have red horns and a tail….and who are you to rebuke someone in the name of Jesus? I voted for Obama, but he’s done nothing for the border states, LIKE EVERY OTHER ADMINISTRATION in the last 20 years. So what makes him so different? NOTHING?

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    • German Nazi..BREWER, her gran father was a Nazi who burned jews..shame on you

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    • Wake up!!! I agree with reform and I want it now! But doing this the AZ way is just going to make things worst! The Nazis did the same thing with the Jews. Blame them for everything and then invade their homes, give them no rights, treat them inhumane, and send them back. Mothers will die and children will die. America quit messing up. Why are you so angry. You voted for Bush. He spent all our money. You voted for Obama and he’s doing the same. Now it’s all the Immigrants fault. WTF?!! If you took better care of your communities none of this would be happening. Look at the big picture. First is the terrorist now it’s the Latinos. Their is a right way of going about this. Hate hate hate.. when will this young nation grow up?

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      • We are NOT Talking about LEGAL immigrants as they have no fault. They Come in the Front Door and are WELCOME!!…..ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIMINAL PUPPETS OF THE CARTELS are the persona non grata. They are the cover story for all CARTEL felony CRIME activity…….American Citizens are FINISHED with thm….PERIOI….What part don’t you understand????

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  11. send em all back in a caravan of astro vans

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    • we should have done the same with your grandparents when they came here. put them on a boat and sent them back to Europe where they had no opportunity and your ignorant ass would have never been born!!! you see how easy it is to hurt people and make stupid comment like this one. the difference between me and you is that I am educated. I speak three languages and have been all over the world. America needs to wake up and stop being like this jack ass. By the looks of it more than half of the people on here don’t know their history. I bet I speak better English than this spick hater.. because it’s spelled spic. English lesson from and immigrant. Good job. Hey tell you what I’ll show up to your rally and give all of you lessons on hating because it seems you really need help.
      Oh yeah I’m sexing up all the white woman too, because from my experience they love compassionate men who speak Spanish. Latin love amigo. I just want you to know that if you are going to say something then think about it. I don’t mean anything I say because I don’t hate. It’s not in my blood. I love you and so does the Universe. Be good people and will be amazed at how much weight you will lose by just smiling and having a good heart. Laterz

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  12. what happens when you cut in line you get your ass beat an thrown out

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  13. such hatred… “There but for the Grace of God go I.”

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    • yes work too hard for this scurge too to a free pass we should hate

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    • get a clue man gods got noting too do with it

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      • Get a clue, man. Your grammar sucks. And, quite honestly, God does have everything to do with this. Do you realize the difficulties this places on Christianity in Arizona as a whole? Or are you just too bigoted and hateful to even consider what another ethnicity or people group goes through aside from your own?

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  14. This is one major reason California is on the brink of bankruptcy!
    WHAT AN EYE OPENER!!!

    Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal

    Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically productive for the State of California …

    You have 2 families…”Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California.

    “Joe Legal” works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted….”Jose Illegal”
    also works in construction, has “NO” Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Joe Legal…$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year Now take 30% away for state and federal tax. Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

    Jose Illegal…$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes… Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

    Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200..00 Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000..00 per month $12,000.00 per year Joe Legal is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769.00

    Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work to break even.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services. Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    Why would you support any politician that supports illegal aliens?

    Its PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans and vote these people out regardless of their part affiliation!
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    Anyone who decides to enter here illegally are already breaking the law and they plan to get whatever they can. They steal documents so they can work, and the employers don’t check them out….I have the same feelings about the employers, because you’re right, they are a huge part of the problem. I would love to see them fined big time…..I also don’t approve of anyone abusing the system that we all pay for, but the illegals here in Ca. cost us over 13 billion dollars, a large part of our financial mess.
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    So many people who don’t live among this don’t have a clue of what this is all about. They just feel sorry for them and want to help them……Unfortunatly we cannot provide for everyone that wants to live here, especially now.
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  15. This is not the “new” mexico, it’s the united states manybugs. If you are so proud of mexico, why the hell did you leave it? Why? Because it is filled with uneducated pinto bean eatin spics that’s why. Arizona first, next California, run chico run. We can create our own jobs, for every illegal mexican roach that is turned in to INS, WE RECIEVE $100.00 We can do this all across the country and we can rid ourselves of these nasty rodents called mexicans. I say we go house to house and find all the undocumented rodents and send them back with a note attached to their heads in spanish saying if you try to come back, you will be tried and convicted by the bullet. We can have the government and or the state pay us the $100. it’s a win win situation for our country, these mexicans are making us a third world country, the more that come in, the dumber we get as a nation, all they do is breed dumb ass mexicans. VIVA UNITED STATES

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    • Speaking of uneducated…

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    • Yes you are very educated huh? just listen to your self you should be ashamed….. not one educated word maybe us Mexicans should teach some manners?? you would like that huh pay back is a B**** Fu****g dumb ass :x

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      • You Mexicans ARE Scared women and are Cartel Bitches…….You need TO PROVE…..no more girly excuses….make your Children Proud and your Grandchildren happy……. YOU ARE REAL MEN BY MAKING YOUR GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBLE TO IT”S CITIZENS>>>>CARLOS SLIM”s gang of Spanish Eurotrash could straighten up Mexico in One year …Be A MACHO man and make them do it

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  16. This is not the “new” mexico, it’s the united states manybugs. If you are so proud of mexico, why the hell did you leave it? Why? Because it is filled with uneducated pinto bean eatin spics that’s why. Arizona first, next California, run chico run. We can create our own jobs, for every illegal mexican roach that is turned in to INS, WE RECIEVE $100.00 We can do this all across the country and we can rid ourselves of these nasty rodents called mexicans. I say we go house to house and find all the undocumented rodents and send them back with a note attached to their heads in spanish saying if you try to come back, you will be tried and convicted by the bullet. We can have the government and or the state pay us the $100. it’s a win win situation for our country, these mexicans are making us a third world country, the more that come in, the dumber we get as a nation, all they do is breed dumb ass mexicans. VIVA UNITED STATES

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  17. There is nothing “inferior” about our Mexican guests. They are actually the clever ones. They have the babies, we deliver them in our hospitals ($ 54,000 per delivery), instantly make them U.S. citizens, provide them WIC services, provide them direct payments and welfare, provide them subsidized housing, provide them with education in such exotic languages as Mixteco, Nahuatl, Triqui, and Parpetua, (teachers have to be imported from Oaxaca, because none exist in the USA), all because some farmers, developers, and filthy rich gringos want “cheap”, docile, exploitable labor from a grotesquely overpopulated country that now has over twenty percent of its populace living and working in the USA. La Raza is dumb like a fox, folks. We’re the stupid ones.

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  18. Bill:

    It’s really refreshing to hear someone in CA discuss the reality of what has been allowed to go on in your state.
    Ca after all, wrote the book on sanctuary ,safe haven for illegal.

    May I remind you also that CA was the first state to boycott us in AZ.
    No hard feeling from us here.

    The illegals living here leaving, are reported to be headed due West.
    Reported so far over 100,000 have left and many are headed to your sanctuary shores.

    However your one statement has my concern… the word \guests.\
    They are not guest in the USA, here they are illegal border crossers who’s occupation has brought your once beautiful state to it’s knees for fiscal melt down.
    Az is trying to control this run away train where 60% enter through AZ’s broken border.
    My question to you since you sound pretty grounded ;
    What are you doing about it in CA?

    There is after all many kinds of backlash, is there not?

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    • Perhaps a new form of Karma?

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      • Hey Jersey Boy …your being …. bad …..again ….Karma ?

        I spent the entire f….day emailing disclosure information to D.C., all news media .
        Was very succesful. Got some feedback also.
        And begged, begged for troop again…

        But my next stop will be/ ” in care of / Sec. of State ….Hillary Clinton .
        She definitely needs some hormone repalcement therapy , AZ style .

        “the “Federal Gov’t is going to slap a lawsuit on AZ,” blah, blah, blah..from freakin Ecuador!

        At least she could of waited for Bill /and they both could of told us from Hati .
        Whats wrong with those two? Don’t they have any class?

        Another drop house was busted by ICE, in PHX today…the 70th ..

        Found over 30 people/ from nine different countries .

        Now I finally understand the meaning “melting pot “/AZ style.

        You got to give this state credit /we do have our own true grit.

        D.C ignores us, poor Hillary she having a meltdown too, ( she probably misses Bill )

        And Ca is really , really pissed-off at us AGAIN .

        We allowed ALL our illegals leaving here to go there…

        Honestly this a a true story… we were told here in AZ, ‘Ca doesn’t want our illegal coming there ”
        “And we casued all the problems…” becasue of that nasty little law sn-1070.

        One pissed-off person wrote-in and suggested they build a huge net at the highway entrances to all major cities in CA ….A new style ,catch and release program.
        He was really pissed-off !

        So now we have homeless illegals…..So I’m asking you / does Jersey what some?
        If you do ,
        please call Nancy Pelosi , she will happily let you borrow her jet / I’m certain
        just come and get them , No shortage here or there.

        Yes Jersey boy we have allot of pissed-off people and so much negative Karma.

        Thank you alway for your support and the humor.. .from you.. and others and truly it has gotten much worse here in just one week.

        The Cartels have now moved inside of our border and AZ has closed down major state park for for fear to the citizen who do the walking trail.

        But no one is listening .

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  19. Arizona’s new law is reducing illegal aliens before it is even enacted. Just the mention of enforcing the law sends them running, imagine that! Imagine if our federal government would at least to the same, talk tough; instead of promising amnesty to anyone who can get pass those pesky border guards.

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    • America pie …you are seeing only one side of the issue not often reported outside of Az, if at all.
      One out of ten get interdicted/ many are OTM’s (other then MX’s) who have ties to terrorist countries.
      This is another business that the Cartels are in.

      There are two video’s posted here by” pissed-off in Josiey,” that are very detailed about this issue.
      Pleased review… Homeland Security has known this for months. They don’t'care, but I suggest that that you go educate yourself. We may need you here.

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  20. Sadly Obama will grant them amnesty. Americans are against it and we’re ignored. Mexico has a bigger vote than we do.

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    • That’s because Obama is looking at the big picture. He knows that if any woman or children get hurt in this ridiculous law their will be riots!! It’s all about you tho. you and your precious you. Sadly you have never been oppressed like most Latinos. So he grants the Amnesty, you know how much tax dollars that will mean. Do you think you can just send 20million people back without a fight!? You know how much that would cost. If you have nothing on your record and have been working here for quite some time I really don’t mind if you got your citizenship. God know your great grand parents became citizens by just getting off a boat from Europe. Or should we be like the Germans and illegally round up innocent woman and children and send them back to an oppressed country. Mexico is run by drug lords that Americans support so much with their dirty money. America is the number one buyer of Mexican Cartel drugs. So lets fix a problem with an even stupider problem. The beautiful good hearted American I read so much about are all in novels and not in real life.

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      • We welcome Legal Immigrants and Those who Use the Visa program which offers 20 different programs……WE owe nothing whatsoever to Cartel Smuggling Illegal Alien employees and their paid of Communist,progressive,liberAL ENABLERS WHO WORK FOR FREE[DOPE]. THE BIG PICTURE FOR cartel ENABLERS IS A OFFSHORE BANK ACCOUNT ACORDING TO HOW MUCH HELP IS GIVEN….AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE finished WITH ENABELERS…..WHAT PART DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND????

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  21. ISN’T THE GOVERNMENT SUPPOSED TO BE “OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE”???

    If there were ever anything worth putting on your refrigerator door to remind us of what we have to do come November, this is it… JUDGMENT DAY: 11/2/2010

    Subject: Retribution is less than 1 year away!

    Take a look at this and just remember elections in November 2010.

    U..S. House & Senate have voted themselves $4,700 and $5,300 raises. They voted to NOT give you a S.S. Cost of living raise in 2010 and 2011.

    1. Your Medicare premiums will go up $285.60 for the 2-years
    2. You will not get the 3% COLA: $660/yr.
    3. Your total 2-yr loss and cost is -$1,600 or -$3,200 for husband and wife.
    4. Over these same 2-years each Congress person will get $10,000
    5. Do you feel SCREWED?
    6. Will they have your cost of drugs – doctor fees – local taxes – food, etc., decrease? NO WAY.

    Congress received a raise and has better health and retirement benefits than you or I.

    * Why should they care about you?
    * You never did anything about it in the past.
    * You obviously are too stupid or don’t care.
    * Do you really think that Nancy, Harry, Chris, Charlie, Barney et al care about you?

    Send the message to these individuals — “YOU’RE FIRED!”

    In 2010 you will have a chance to get rid of the sitting Congress: up to 1/3 of the Senate and 100% of the House!

    Make sure you’re still mad in November 2010 and remind their replacements not to screw-up.

    It is ok to forward this to your sphere of influence if you are finally tired of the abuse. Maybe it’s time for Amendment 28 to the Constitution..

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .”

    Let’s get this passed around, folks – these people in Washington have brought this upon themselves! It’s time for retribution. Let’s take back America ..

    If you don’t forward this to all your friends you’re just part of the problem of national apathy.

    ALL OF THIS AND THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO MAKE ILLEGAL ALIENS CITIZENS …GIVING THEM FULL ACCESS TO SOCIAL SECURITY AND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE PAID INTO FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIVES.

    SHOW THEM YOU READ

    SHOW THEM YOU THINK

    VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT.

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    • I do agree–and like your post–a BIG “Thumbs up”!!
      (However, I must point out that USA government is not actually “OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE”. In other words–and contrary to popular belief, the USA is not a true “democracy”. Rather, the USA is “democratic republic” or “federal republic”. The reason is that the “founding fathers” did not actually trust “the people” (which would be the case in a “direct democracy”, such as ancient Greece–before Socrates). That is why we vote for elected officials. We vote for the “electoral college” to make decisions.)

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  22. I do not think so. Even the Mulatto Messiah isn’t THAT stupid.

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  23. I believe in the Arizona Immigration Act. Every American Citizen should be embracing this law, not just in 1 state but in all 50 states as a whole. After all, we are all united aren’t we!? We are all facing the same battles here! From health care to welfare, jobs, taxes, debts, crimes, drugs, murders, kidnapping, frauds, terrorists, immigration and so on.
    Our solution, to all of these problems lies right by our borders! Our law states that crossing the border is illegal! Yet the immigrants still have rights because we gave them that right!
    They have realized that there’s some kind of a leak in our laws of our system. They have taken advantage of our freedom and our kindness for weakness. Soon more will migrate and produce more babies and their kids who are 15 will produce more babies and all will be on welfare. Soon our Nation, will be their nation! Actually, isn’t it already heading in that direction?

    I’ve notice in most forms if you turn to the back it’s in Spanish, there’s even an operator (if you press 2 she can translate it in Spanish), a translator when you take your citizenship and a radio station in every channel in Spanish. Oh here’s a good one, you can even take your G.E.D. in Spanish! Looks like to me, we like to keep them welcomed home!

    Why do they get special treatment? Shouldn’t they be learning English? Who is responsible for all of this? Is it our state, our government? What happened to keeping the citizens safe! Illegal is Illegal shouldn’t have any rights! There is a right way to do things and the wrong way, whichever one you choose there is a price to pay. My solution to all illegal immigrants who has been here for 3yrs, start applying for your citizenship and make things right, the legal way and start paying taxes! As for the people who are above the law blinded by greed, shame on you! Go Arizona! Let’s make this as ARIZONA UNITED IMMIGRATION ACT.

    :oops:

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  24. :x Immigration is a priviledge – I am so tired of paying for all the people who think they are “entitled” to something from the American taxpayer! Contribute FIRST, then ask for return on what you’ve given! While I agree that “all men (and women) are created equal, it also means that all must CONTRIBUTE equally in order for America to be great! Illegal immigrants hide in shadows, and, from what I’ve heard on MANY fronts, illegals DON’t contribute! Heck, they have better health coverage than I do, before reform, and will still get these benefits AFTER reform – and I work two jobs, pay my bills and my taxes! Stop taking from me! Earn your own way in your own country! Don’t send money from a broken US economy to another country and take it away from me again! STOP the MADNESS! Ship the illegals (AND THEIR BABIES, who can come back after they turn 18, since they were born here!) back to where they came from! And use whatever means to identify and tranport these people to their homes.

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  25. Arizona is taking action for the sake of their own State because the Federal Government has failed to prevent illegal immigrants from migrating into their State. If the parents of Anchor Babies were law abiding citizens; they would not have been in the US to have a baby to begin with. Illegal’s Anchor Babies should not be bestowed with US Citizenship and the ones that have been should be removed of their citizenship as well as being removed from this country. They can go to the end of the line and re-enter legally.

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    • For more than a month, Immigration.Civiltalks.com has been highlighting the situation over the controversial Arizona Immigration Law. While the question is up for debate, a lot of bright and reasonable thoughts were shared on the site’s forum. Opinions differ but there is one thing that unites them all – America needs change. The immigration system of the country falls short of our real needs. Thomas Menino, Boston Mayor, said: “It’s a message saying America is a land of opportunity…Now there’s one little state out there saying, we don’t want that land of opportunity.” Of course, we shouldn’t toss aside this argument! But don’t exclude the fact that if the flood of illegal immigrants continues to emerge into the country, there will be no more good opportunities left and the American society, such as we know it, built on the rule of law will no longer exist.

      However the question arises as to whether Arizona Immigration Law is a right start. Unfortunately, a declining housing market is just one of the many negative fiscal impacts of SB 1070. Arizona’s pending immigration law increases the number of foreclosures in the Phoenix area. Housing experts anticipate that SB 1070 will not only drive illegal but legal citizens as well.

      Do you think the legal challenges to the Arizona law could be more expensive for the state than the cost of illegal immigration? Are real estate agents and mortgage brokers responsible for “doing their part” to curb the illegal immigration problem?

      Not to forget that while there is no solid Federal Immigration Reform, illegal immigrants will solely travel from one state to another, and the problem will persist continuously on the national level.

      The second area of concern is so called ‘anchor babies’. Now an Arizona legislator is working on a plan that would defy the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution by denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants born in this country. So it comes out that Arizona acts against the Constitution, but….should such Constitution exist when 70% of citizens oppose it?

      Now both sides are ready for a fight that is destined to decide the future of immigration in USA. Jan Brewer said she is ready for the law suit which according to Hillary Clinton’s comments in Ecuador is going to be filed against the act by the Obama Administration. The brave Republican Governor of Arizona said: “We are not going to back away from this issue….We are going to pursue it, we’re going to be very aggressive,” Brewer said. “We’ll meet them in court … And we will win.”

      Given the circumstances we’re wondering could Brewer be the next iron lady or maybe, who knows…the future president of The United States of America? Since nothing has been decided yet and too little attention has been paid by the current Administration towards the Law that all Americans have been discussing for months now…maybe it is time for a big change?

      These are only a few questions which Arizona Immigration Law raises. Actually, there are much more…and all of them boil down to the most important one – will this law solve the immigration problem? In case it won’t, what alternative solution can you suggest?

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