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Arizona Immigration Law: Pros And Cons…

Posted on June 7, 2010

According to NumbersUSA, America is currently home for 22.7 illegal immigrants among which 22.2 millions are of Hispanic origin. All south near-border states suffered from the flood of illegal immigrants throughout decades but Arizona was the first to actually take a stand!

Numerous attempts to lower the number of illegal aliens have been made beginning with 2007, but all efforts have been in vain since no federal law has been approved up to this day. Most attempts were made in 2009 with a total number of 222 enacted laws and 131 resolutions in 48 states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Since no consensus has been reached on a federal level Jan Brewer gave up hope and acted alone, by signing the SB 1070, which makes it a crime to violate some federal immigration statutes and authorizes local police to determine whether people are in the country legally. The act is scheduled to go into effect on July 28, 2010, ninety days after the end of the legislative session.

Arizona's Governor discussed the law with President Obama on June 3, and they basically agreed to disagree.

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President Obama stands for comprehensive immigration reform, including dealing with the volatile issue of amnesty. Jan Brewer says the nation's and state's security against illegal immigrants, criminals and possible terrorists should be the top priority.
The Justice Department may challenge SB 1070 in court. “We'll meet you in court,” Brewer told CNN's John King when asked what she would do if the Justice Department decided to file suit against the law. “I have a pretty good record of winning in court,” she added.
Since 1929 illegal entry into the United States is a federal crime, up to six months in prison for the first offense and 20 years for the second offense. Hiring illegal immigrants carries a maximum penalty under federal statute of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
However does it work in practice?
The Arizona law gives the state the right to suspend or terminate business
Backlash from Arizona's new immigration law could cost the Phoenix area at least $90 million in revenue. The USA has a large market for Mexico's narco trade.
Los Angeles, Seattle, Austin, San Francisco, San Diego, West Hollywood and many others to boycott Arizona over new immigration law. At least 22 other states are considering legislation similar to Arizona's
Some Arizona police chiefs and other state officials oppose the law, in no small part because of the provision allowing citizens to sue them. Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris suggested it’s at best superfluous in terms of helping local law enforcement combat serious crime. Illegal aliens constitute over 25% of the federal prison population. In some areas of the country, 12 % of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens.
It remains to be seen how police will interpret the law’s anti-profiling language in practice. State officials tell us they have yet to work out what factors police should be trained to use to establish "reasonable suspicion" of illegal status. In June 2004, Enrique Sousa Alvarez, an illegal alien, was arrested in San Jose, California and charged with violently kidnapping a 9 year old girl from her home, holding her captive for 3 days, and repeatedly raped her before releasing her at a convenience store parking lot.
Corporate America calls to Mexico, with a very loud voice, \Hey amigos, come work for me, I have a lot of work and I know you are very cheap. Who cares about the risk involved, come get your American dream, I will pay you in DOLARES!!! Illegal alien Walter Alexander Sorto was repeatedly picked up for driver's license violations and for driving without insurance. Houston police, however, were barred from reporting his illegal residency status to federal authorities by "sanctuary policies". In March 2004, Sorto and a companion abducted, raped and killed 3 Houston women.

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Comments (178)
  1. The Federal government has failed this country because of a lack of enforcement of our existing immigration laws. Although many argue that the illegals pay taxes on wages earned illegally they ignore the burden of the taxpayers in social services, medical, and education costs. But more importantly , they are willing to overlook the “rule of law”. The fact is that most illegals are paid under the table and without proper identification proving their right to be here. However, if the everify program were strictly enforced the illegals would have to return home. It is a very simple concept because jobs are the magnet.
    As long as we elect representatives that will not protect America we are one more step closer to loosing our sovereignty. Most illegals are not here because they want to be American citizens. They are here for the jobs. They undercut wages so jobs that American citizens need are not available. If you vote for a representative that supports amnesty, then you are part of the problem. Amnesty begets more illegals readying themselves for the next amnesty.
    Because the Federal government has failed this country, Gov. Brewer had no choice but to try and protect Arizona. I support her efforts and hope she prevails in the coming law suits.

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    • If they wanted to be citizens they wouldn’t fly the Mexican flag over an American flag, which is flown upside down.

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      • jbartelson,

        A very good point. Give it some time and you will be told by some idiot that the American flag was flown upside down by mistake.

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      • I myself have removed MEX flags flown at businesses here in Arizona.
        As an Iraq Combat Veteran it’s EXTREMELY offensive to me when a FOREIGN flag is CONSTANTLY flown outside a NON-ENGLISH speaking business.
        I encourage everyone to adopt thisa practice.

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  2. People are coming into this country ILLEGALLY & breaking our laws. They’re damaging our economy & eating up our resources. The jobs they take don’t support their families, so they use our public assistance (food stamps, housing allowances, health care, etc.) dollars to get by. We need these dollars to take care of our own taxpaying, LEGAL citizens, who have currently fallen on hard times due to the downturn in our economy. — I live in AZ and, unless you do, you have no right to protest OUR law. All this law does is put MORE eyes on this problem. We have illegal immigrant criminal incidents EVERY DAY. Drop houses, gang violence, robberies, kidnapping, etc. (and, I could go on & on). Our schools systems are “drained” trying to educate illegals children, which results in our being unable to properly educate our own children. Our citizens of the state, who live on ranches on the border, are afraid to even go out of their homes. When they do, they have to carry weapons to defend themselves. We’re over run with drug cartel & drug smugglers. WE WANT THIS TO STOP, AND, IF THIS BILL IS WHAT IT TAKES — THE MAJORITY OF US (70% of this state, at last count) SUPPORT IT. :roll:

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    • First of all, illegal immigrants do not damage our economy. In fact they improve it, they work in conditions and job no legal citizen would do. They don’t work as teachers, or policemen, or firefighters. They work in factories under terrible conditions and low wages. No one would even take the jobs they do. Secondly, LET ME SAY THAT IN CASE YOU DIDN’T REALIZE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AREN’T THE ONLY CRIMINALS AROUND. EVERYDAY, WE GET CRIMES FOR LEGAL CITIZENS TOO, JUST TO REMIND YOU. CHECK THE NEWS WATCH T.V., IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. Look at any race, any ethnicity, and each side has its bad people. I can point out PLENTY of crimes committed by legal citizens. One bad person doesn’t mean everyone else is. And to let you know everyone has a right to be educated, and for your information our country has many outstanding students that are illegal immigrants and work just as hard as other kids. Illegal immigrants come here for hope, and like you would now. I’d just like to tell you it’s so easy for you to judge, when you’re not even in their position. This law is unjust, shows racial profiling, and should definitely be stopped.

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      • It’s funny that you call them illegal immigrants (illegal meaning they broke the law and are therefore a criminal) and then turn around and try to defend them. question … are you here legally?

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  3. I’ve read both sides of the issue and what I’ve read just doesn’t add up regarding AZ SB 1070. I’m no scholar, nor am I in the legal field but I have read the Arizona Illegal Immigration Law also known as SB 1070 and the U.S. Constitution and this law is constitutional and will be upheld.
    No one can defend a crime when the crime was committed by saying that it’s not fair or it’s not a serious crime. That’s ridiculous! The bottom line is that until people stop trying to make illegal immigration into “undocumented or the unfortunate” and realize it is a crime regardless of the reason it was committed, there will not be a compromise as a whole and there will always be a division amongst the American people. When those that are serious about making headway on immigration reform admit that a crime was committed and that it is wrong, will our government then be able to enact a modern immigration bill that can be completely revamped for the America of today and tomorrow and not the America of yester-year, and with the support of the American people! We need a real guest worker program that works with migrate nations and host companies and those coming to America for work. Our government needs to be able to track guest workers and not go on the presumption that when their visa expires, they will leave on their own accord. This does not happen. We need to increase the number of immigrants requesting legal status to rise and fall with the needs of our nation as a whole. Most importantly, we need to be strict on illegal immigration. It has to be strict for the simple fact that if it isn’t, who is going to take the time to do it legally when all you have to do is make a mad dash across a U.S. border and wait it out knowing there are no real consequences to face?
    I am a Hispanic American Citizen with brown skin. I love seeing immigrants from all over the world here in American and I love the fact that America is a nation of immigrants. Legal immigrants have waited years at times to live the American dream. For they know the wait is worth all the opportunities available in American. Illegal immigrants don’t! Illegal immigration is wrong and SB 1070 will pass with the support of the American people. Presumptive accusations that racial profiling may or will take place with SB 1070 doesn’t excuse the fact that the actual breaking of the law took place when someone came to America illegally. I do not care for racial profiling, nor do I care for discrimination or racism. What I do care for are the laws this nation has. Respect them and there is nothing to hide from or feel ashamed of. Break them, and you WILL be held accountable for it. I will show my license, passport or whatever is needed because I do it every day. Whether at the gas station, bank, grocery store or in a movie theater, I show my ID when asked and that is not racial profiling. That’s the law!
    Let’s be real about it. There are millions of migrates here in the United States illegally. A majority are from Mexico. That is a fact. We know the reasons, we know the stories. We also know that anyone willing to break the law and gets caught has be punished. Being in America illegally is a crime.
    If those that want to see real immigration reform pass and have the support to get it passed, give the respect American Citizens deserve. These are our laws and we ask that ALL people respect our laws or face the consequences. Once you can admit the law was broken and it is a crime to be in this country illegally, you will start to earn the support of the American People.

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    • Thanks for your input. Well said.

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    • Response to Hispanic American.

      I am in agreement with you. My parents came from aboard and I too am of the beautiful BROWN color.
      I am concerned about those white people in the “law”that are white superemest which have a record of abusing the laws and practice racial profiling to benefit there hate towards foreigners. America belongs
      to not the white nor the colored -. The whites are becoming more of the minority and America with vast nationalities. I believe that Corporate America is the one to blame for letting the illegal imigrants into the country. Look at the “BIG BUSINESS” farmers that employ 500,000+’s of illegal immigrants and pay the Immigration to keep it quiet- by making a deal with them… A lot more going on that we don’t hear enough about or talk about. Watch the movie “FOOD INC.” it educates the American public. So why has U.S. Immigration not swept clean all of those illegal immigrants… ? The U.S. immigration system needs to be fixed.

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      • Do you not believe there are latino supremists also in this country (probably more latino groups than whites in the southwest here)? The latino organizations (racist) have been allowed to grow considerably because of the 20+million illegal aliens in this county, while any organization that had been there to mostly benefit European descendants have been incessently called racist. Columnists daily call American Citizens that are against illegal aliens as racists, while they themselves are the actual racist–desiring for the imbalance of 98% of immigrants to remain, while not allowing other nationalities to immigrate to America.

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    • very well sais and thought out, thank you

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    • Hispanic American,

      Thank you for your writeup. You have common sense, something that those who oppose this bill do not possess.

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    • Thank You.

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    • you said it right Ill be glad when more people do thanks

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  4. Well if Los Angeles, Seattle, Austin, San Francisco, San Diego, West Hollywood and many others to boycott Arizona over new immigration law, Arizona and other states that enact similar legislation should just deport all the illegals to their cities and let them deal with the problem. catch them and give them a choice of a one way ticket back to their home or a one way ticket to Los Angeles or a city of their choosing that is boycotting Arizona.

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    • Now if they can only get the MEXICANS to boycott AZ, the new law will have accomplished its purpose.

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  5. I am very glad to see so much support of the Arizona Law!! If enough states followed the lead we really wouldn’t have an issue. Yes, actually read the law before bitching about it and understand it! Really one of the first things that needs to change is allowing anyone born on US soil to automatically have citizenship. This is the STUPITEST thing and the US is to ONLY country that does it and it needs to quit – no more anchor babies!!

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    • Yes it is obvious to those who have read the law that is an enforcement law. To see Obama slam the AZ governor as “misguided” and “irresponsible” is treasonous to me. Neither he nor Attorney general Eric Holder had read the law and made disparaging comments about it (really about America) Obama even threw AZ under the bus when Mexico’s Calderon down-ranked the law (surprised?) on international television. Time to take back the United States Of America.

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    • The right of citizenship is NOT in the Constitution. It’s been allowed, but never has been the law.
      Kick ‘em out. They’re illegal.
      We shouldn’t feel sorry for the ‘poor kids’. Their parents should have thought about this.
      Not our responsibility.

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  6. :roll: Why is our government inviting lawlessness? Be real people, stop it with the race issue. Illegal isn’t a race, it’s our laws. The facts are: Our government is failing it’s legal citizens, for what ever reason! We have tried amnesty 7 times, and achieved nothing. We let a million immigrants come to our country every year! We only enforce laws the government agrees to! Our borders are understaffed! We are at war with other countries to defend their borders!
    Just a few facts but do they matter? They should but don’t. We have apathy for others but can’t save the world but it doesn’t stop us from helping or giving to charities. Trying to make the world a better place for all.
    As for the illegal invasion (22 million does consitute an invasion) what choice do we have? Defend our country or become a third world country. It’s that simple. So Az. did what it had to do to make a stand and defend our country. As for myself, I have no problems with immigration but you must do it legally and become an American, thats what brought you here. For our freedoms and our way of life and the rights we have.
    Not to be crimminals or illegals that want only to destroy all we stand for. They call us lazy drug addicts but I’m sure they are only referring to the American people, of course it is only USa.
    So for all you bleeding heart liberals, get a clue or the ones your standing up for will ruin this country and who will defend you then, what rights will you have?

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    • Two reasone.

      Companies that use illegals make a higher profit.

      Every illegal that is allowed to stay and is granted citizenship is a guaranteed Democratic vote.

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    • Why is our government inviting lawlessness? Obama wants 22.7 million illegal immigrants to receive amnesty so that they can “repay” him with their illegal votes in 2012. Obama wants votes. It’s simple. he does nothing regarding the border and builds his “constituency” through the greatest single fraud this country has ever seen.

      We are worried about a silly SB 1070 racial profiling and thus exploiting the poor illegal immigrants. Obama and his lib democrat majority are putting forth the greatest act of human exploitation since the holocaust. He does not care about these people or Americans.

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  7. I took my first credit loans when I was 20 and it supported my relatives a lot. Nevertheless, I require the small business loan once more time.

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    • You are the second person to post information about loans. Didn’t you read what this blog is about? It is obvious in the way that you write that English is not your language of choice.

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  8. Why do some people automatically assume that white officers will profile ? is it presumed that white cops were born racist ? i think we need to have a little respect for our police officers ! GO ARIZONA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • I don’t get it either. If cops were going to be rascist, they could have done it any time. The race card is played way to much. In a few months with the way the economy is going, you will be hearing the Legal Immigrants complaining how the Illegals are taking their jobs. What is really bad is nobody is wondering why OUR PRESIDENT, is not securing the Border. He keeps saying he wants Immigration Reform and I keep hearing people are willing to talk about it once the borders are secure, so why is he not doing his job? What is his agenda?

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      • Playing the race card is the easiest thing to do. Run 10 red lights, run over 6 old ladies and get pulled over. You are a minority..pick one…any one…and the first thing you say is ‘you’re racist’..that’s why you pulled me over.

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    • People who whine about police profiling Hispanics have done no research into the facts here. In fact, many of our police officers are Hispanic (I know some). Just exactly who will the Hispanic officers be profiling? Your point about white officers being presumed guilty of profiling with no proof of anything of the sort is also an excellent point. The claims and scare tactics about profiling is just like the ‘death panels’ of the health reform debate. We don’t need any more hooey; it’s time to consider the facts and enforce our laws.

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    • Yes Democrats, Liberals, Left-wing hatemongers, hispanics, blacks, and brainwashed college kids all have begun to believe and preach that only white-people can and are the real racists. Look it up. It is the new “hate America” theme that is going around. The hispanics are just picking up on this version of the “race” card. It’s pathetic.

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      • I agree, except for the college kids part. I’m a full-time colelge student and I don’t beliefe white people are racist what so ever. I think America is finally realizing how bad of an impact these illegal immigrants are having, and it’s FINALLY time to do something about it. The whole idea of racism that’s going around is just absurd, there is nothing racist about this new law. It’s simple the LAW and it has been since, if i’m not miskten, before the 1940’s. Title 8, section 1325 people, look it up. But I agree Mark, people are being influenced to think that white people are racist, especially Arizona cops, and it’s wrong.

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    • To further your point, to assume that “white cops were born racist” is in itself a racist comment. Something that America in general is beginning to pickup on. The ruse from the hispanics is beginning to fall apart. Keep waking up America you are beginning to see the real light.

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    • I agree! What people do not get is that “Profiling” is part of the job of a Police Officer. i.e. BOLO: Wanted for Armed Robbery just occurred; Male, White, mid 30’s, 5′ 10″ – 6′ 0″, 195 – 205 lbs, Blond Hair, Beard, White S/S Shirt, Blue Jeans, last seen leaving location on foot about 5 mins ago! Guess what? Anyone fitting that profile (description) is going to get stopped, trust me! What people do not read in the law and is so hard for them to comprehend is that violation of this law alone is not a reason to detain under this law.

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    • If whites are so racist, why is it so dangerous for a white to walk in a black or hispanic neighborhood?
      Why are the crime rates so high in black and hispanic neighborhoods and so low in white neighborhoods?
      The media has become dangerouw and self serving.

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      • jbartelson,

        OOOHHHH!!!!!!! you asked the wrong question. You’re in trouble now…

        I agree 100% with you.

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      • because you guys have pushedd hate crime on many of them over the years psychologicaly they feel that they need to defend themselves… did u know that the so called”gangsters” started in europe with a bund of italians? dont blame this on us! as one bad seed grows so does another one…

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        • That may have been so before, but now it’s completely different and i know your aware of it. Black and Hispanic neighborhoods have high gang violence because they are now being raised with it, it has nothing to do with self defense anymore. It’s just a lifestyle they choose to live, a life of violence and drugs. The “gangsters” that started in italy were classy. The gangs now a days are just disgusting.

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  9. WHat I support is SECURE BORDERS and Enforcing FEDERAL LAW but since our Government CHOOSES not to abide by the LAW, what is Arizona supposed to do. Is there any STATE that is willing to take the 500 thousand Illegal Immigrants to their own state and has jobs for them? WE WANT SECURE BORDERS THEN IMMIGRATION REFORM.

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    • Any state supporting the boycott should just be willing to give the illegals housing, government aid, free medical and all other sorts of assistance. Invite the illegals out of Arizona and into your state. I haven’t seen an invitation like that and those states aren’t suffering the problems Arizona is as a result of all of it’s illegals. Step up other states cause Arizona to lose all the aid it is paying out then perhaps Arizona will be sympathetic to your situation. Until then leave Arizona alone. We have Jan Brewer and she’s working for us!!

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      • dont worry they will, as more states crack down these sanctuary cities will feel it hard. they will crumble

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      • Arizona 1st,

        I agree with everything EXCEPT the government aid. STATE aid, YES. NOTHING federal. That particular state loves illegals, let them foot the whole bill.

        Excellent writeup.

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    Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, Mexican Visitor’s Lament. 10/25/07

    She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, \They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes…What Happens to your country’s economy if 20 million people go away?\ That’s a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!

    In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.

    In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids – would move back ‘home’, mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

    Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

    Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado.

    Denver’s four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

    In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English

    In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.

    If 20 million illegal aliens returned ‘home’ —

    If 20 million illegal aliens returned ‘home’, the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn’t be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

    No more push ‘1′ for Spanish or ‘2′ for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

    We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

    In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the ‘18th Street Gang’ would vanish from our nation No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

    Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!

    America’s economy is drained.. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn’t return to the aliens’ home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America’s economy – which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.

    At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.

    Americans wouldn’t suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

    Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the ‘progressives’ on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases.

    Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, \colonias\ or new neighborhoods Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America’s new \Third World\ inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect
    20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico.

    We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation. It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.

    Interesting Statistics. Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

    1. $11 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens.

    2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

    3. $2.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

    5. $17 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

    6. $3 Million Dollars PER DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

    7. 30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.

    8. $90 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

    9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.

    11. During the year 2005, there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine, and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border.

    12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.

    13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

    14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States!\

    The total cost is a whopping $3383 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

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    • Come on you are quoting Lou Dobbs! Most unbiased articles (not getting funding from ratings) are stating that the cost of them over here and what they pay in to the economy is close to even. Illegal aliens cannot get welfare, illegal alien’s children are also not known as anchor babies by the people who have some class and decency in this society! Ahhhh! Seeing comments from other americans and looking at our recent past I think this country is turning into some kind of fascist regime!

      We have been having a huge illegal immigrant influx for the past 20 years and now that some pompous, self-serving, shallow, immoral people who are only concerned about tv ratings and their careers say that illegal immigrants are criminals, that they are dirty and that they are worthless you jump on that bandwagon instead of thinking for yourself! Babies are innocent lives; labeling them as anchor babies and implying that they weren’t wanted that they only were conceived so that their parents could get government benefits is just stupid. Mexico has high birth rates, as do most third world countries and they can’t get benefits over there but now that they have children over here its to get at you?? You are just an idiot I can’t say anything else I must move on! God help you although I doubt you know him.

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      • When women run across the border to squat and give birth, they ARE anchor babies.
        You are so left leaning, I am amazed you can stand upright.
        Your post was insulting, demeaning, and without facts to support your rant.
        READ the statistics on crime: FBI site is a good place to start.
        Walk through those illegal neighborhoods at night.

        How many illegals have you helped? Spend your money before you spend mine.
        If not, go read and increase your IQ, because double digits are not working for you.

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        • I don’t think they are running across the border to have babies. They have high birth rates in their country, yet they don’t get government benefits… A very good point that seems to be forgotten by america’s citizens with “high IQ’s” Geez get over yourself! I realize you probably won’t read this and if you did you won’t reply with a reasonable comment, all you can do is call me names. I don’t know why I bother. People are incapable of thinking logically its always tainted with emotions, they really aren’t that different than animals.

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      • The RACISTS are members of LA RAZA (The Race/ Racists).
        Grow some cajones and use your name rather than hiding behind “Anonymous”.
        BTW, I live less than 200 miles North of Mexico and I am not one of the “…pompous, self-serving, shallow, immoral people who are only concerned about tv ratings and their careers say that illegal immigrants are criminals”.
        The MAJORITY of Arizona felonies are committed by illegal aliens.

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      • ANONYMOUS,

        I presume this is Human under ANOTHER name.

        If illegals pay so much into the economy, then why are hospitals frequented by illegals going bankrupt?

        Just because you got knocked up and shit out a kid, it isn’t my problem NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN. If you can’t pay for it, keep your legs closed.

        You need a violin to accompany what you write. How many illegals in YOUR family?? You like illegals??? pay for them with your money.


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        • No this is a real human that never takes handouts, listens to the voice of reason instead of one in anger and always takes responsibility for what she does. Oh by golly, sure I’ll kiss your fascist regime american ass but can’t because you’re sitting on it and HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS! When they were crossing over the border that’s all you did I was just a kid then. So point your finger all you want, play the victim because that’s all your good at, and LIE IN THE BED YOU MADE it was all fine and dandy when they were just picking your fruit and mowing your lawn huh?

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          • i’ve read both of your posts, and i consider myself to be quite logical, actually. I don’t live in Arizona, but near Los Angeles and I understand what Arizona citizens are going through, because we have a similar and almost exact same problems in California. It’s not just about the medical expenses, it’s about much more. Citizen taxpayers are paying for their free medical services, basically, the schooling for their children which they can get in their own country, the food stamps and welfare they collect, and the issues they are bringing across the border with them, such as cartels, drug smuggling, and human trafficing, which is hitting an all time high, just to let you know. Yes, they do work for cheap labor, doing jobs that most citizens wouldn’t WANT to do, but in times like these, are willing to do. Surely, because of the fact that they are illegal, they are willing to be paid less, but if out country wants to rid of illegal immigrants, they realize that they will have to pay higher wages, but we will have the ability to do so if we’re not having to pay all that welfare, food stamps, schooling, etc. No critisism intended, but I think you should broaden your horizons and look at the picture a bit differently.

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    • the victor will never be asked if he told the truth
      you facts are a lie because they come from no trusted sources , but your bigot hate its a fact and from that i dont need any proof.

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  11. American Hispanic
    say he summed it up very well, missed one thing,
    if the illegal immigrants did not come over illegally they would be much harder to exploit, themselves and their children could not have this harsh treatment. companies could not hire them pay low wages work children as they do. it also would not be as harmfull to american wages and jobs. they commited the crime they need to go.

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    • How can you get people that are here illegally, yes, who have been here for 10+ years to get up and go back to their country of origin? Taking away their driving liscenses didn’t do it, workplace raids hasn’t had much of an impact except for increasing the amount of families that need aid since their breadwinners have been deported, and even parading them around in pink underwear really only made latin american countries mad at us yet didn’t really have any effects on the numbers of illegals. Can you think of a logical solution?

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  12. American Asian.
    Next vacation is Arizona.


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  13. Arizona:
    Set up a welcome center at all major border crossings for ” Illegal Immigrants”. This would preclude their being taken advantage of by “coyotes” whatever for illegal crossings, and concentrate them for appropriate, and equitable distribution to the rest of this great democracy. Greet them with coffee and doughnuts. Set them up with chartered bus transportation to a destination of their choice ie: Los Angeles, Portland, Chicago, Washington D. C. Hartford. See how long it would be before those bastions of civil rights sign up for continued observation of your rather astute application of an existing and appropriate law.

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    • As an Arizona citizen, I say we should direct them ALL to Los Angeles, San Francisco and other points West.

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      • As a California citizen, I think that comment is pretty childish. We already have enough problems with illegal immigrants in especially Los Angeles, and we don’t want any more. We all have our fingers crossed that if the Arizona Immigration Law passes the law suit, California goes through with a similar plan and cleans up what once was a beautiful city, Los Angeles.

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  14. It is pretty obvious to anyone who has read the SB 1070 that it is NOT a racial profiling law, but an enforcing law that has not been implemented since the original 1929 law was enacted.

    The whole reason for so much outcry from the hispanics is because the law has until now not been enforced. There is nothing new here folks. America is not racist toward Mexicans. Heck Mexico has the same and worse illegal immigration laws than our nation. We don’t hear about Mexico being racist do we? We Americans need to take back control of OUR country, and the issues will dissipate in due time.

    We will stop the illegal immigration invasion that has been going on for over 30 years into the United States of America. Other states will enforce the federal law in due time, and this mockery of US sovereignty will end.

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  15. Here’s what I think should be done:

    I don’t supprt amnesty, but I also don’t think it is possible, just or economical to attempt to deport every illegal person. I don’t think we should break up families. I have also heard about cases of adults that have been in the US since they were two years old. Doesn’t seem like deporting them would be the right thing to do.

    There should be enough pain that it is a deterent to other coming to the US and waiting for the next amnesty. That pain should come in the form of fines, jail time, community service, etc.

    A preference system similar to that used for *legal* immigrants should be used. Those with no ties to the US, criminal records, etc. should be immediately deported. If someone has been in the US the majority of their life and has a family here, they should get higher preference.

    There should be very few illegals in the future. If people are really committed to being here, they should become American’s and commit themselves to this country in every way. Those not in a high enough preference category and not willing or able to make the commitment will have to go home.

    We should slow down the border. Closing it would be nice, but that seems impossible. After a sufficient warning period, I don’t have a problem with shooting from those predator drones they have flying around.

    Definitely, impose fines for knowingly hiring illegals. This will reduce the incentive to come here. And it would reduce the incentive for employers to hire illegals. Also, alot of money could be raised here.

    Implement a guest worker program to permit employers to exploit cheap labor legally.

    Cut off assistance to illegals: no food stamps, no welfare. When a legal immigrant is sponsored, the sponsor has to sign an affidavit of support and promise to reimburse the gov’t if that person is on public assistance. It is backwards that illegals should get this free. We can’t afford it. We are deeply in debt.

    Cut off drivers license to illegals. Make it difficult to live here illegally in other ways.

    Do what we can to slow down the drug trade. Bring in the military for the crisis on our southern border rather than dealing with middle eastern problems. Afghanistan will need to figure out how to take care of itself. Since the gov’t of Mexico will be against most of these other changes, do this part as a partnership with them. They need the help. The drug problem is out of control in Mexico. Also, it will affect us more and more as it spills over into the US.

    It’s not about race, it’s about money and crime.

    What do you think?

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    • Comment: Those with no ties to the US, criminal records, etc. should be immediately deported.
      Reality: If you create an amnesty program and people know that this will exclude them they won’t apply, and you’ll have to go find them anyway. They aren’t just going to show up to be deported.
      Comment: Definitely, impose fines for knowingly hiring illegals.
      Reality: The law already provides for this and that’s the problem. Employers conspire with illegal aliens with fake documents. Since the employer can claim he doesn’t know if a document is fake or real, he can’t be held responsible for ‘knowingly’ hiring them. The solution is to MAKE employers verify the legal status with the government (i.e. E-verify), then they can be fined for not only hiring illegals, but for failing to run the check.
      Comment: Implement a guest worker program to permit employers to exploit cheap labor legally.
      Reality: I’m not sure you want to use the term ‘exploit’ here. However the reality is that any new program that bring in more foreigners will be open for abuse. They’ll come legally to work on a farm and end up in a deli in Chicago.
      Face it, ther are a lot of different ideas around, but the bottom line is that enforcement is the key to controlling illegal immigration. That’s why any type of amnesty or legalization program has to be preceeded by a period (maybe 2 years) of the government controlling the borders and stopping the flow of illegals. Then a path to citizenship can be considered.

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  16. Arizona’s immigration law just enforces the obvious. If you are in the United States you need to be here legally. This is not an ethnic or race issue but rather a legal one. Yet, our country is polarized over what has been seen as a law that targets Hispanic’s. Many countries, including Mexico, have the same laws yet we don’t seem to find those laws offensive. Why the double standard? I look forward to more states enacting similar legislation and supporting Arizona in it’s quest to control illegal immigration.

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  17. I’m the kind of person that if you’re in need of assistance, I will help. So if you knock on my door, your hungry and tired, there’s a very good chance I’ll let you in, offer you something to eat and you can rest until you’re ready to move on. However, if you try to break in through the back door (it doesn’t matter what race you are) I, as an American citizen, have every right to protect my family and property. As a former Marine, I know how to do that VERY well and will. It doesn’t get any simpler than that.

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  18. We can’t support the world! We can support our own citizens. Everyone wants a better life. That does not mean we have to provide it for those who choose to be here illegally. However,when you hire one ,you perpetuate the system!

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  19. Our governor here in the state of Georgia let an illegal student stay and finish college. All of these politicians and people that say the Arizona immigration bill is unlawful, Needs to look at the federal law. Its the same LAW!!!!!!! Bring all our troops home, secure our borders, if a country needs help let france and germany, and islam do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  20. I am Rolando Dizon Chan, illegal in the country. I live at 140 West Second St. 1 St Floor Clifton, NJ. My brothers Armando Chan who lived in 8 Fordham CT Kendall Park, NJ and Wilfredo Chan 231 Saphhier Lane Franklin Park are the one who help me to come to the US

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    • Wow, admitting that you are a CRIMINAL. I guess that citizens in New “JOISEY” don’t mind having CRIMINALS as neighbors.

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      • REDBULL6,


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          • Obviously, your realy uneducated. You can’t even type a sentence without using the word fuck, and you sure as hell don’t know how to spell. So, let me start by saying that it SURE AS HELL will have an impact. If the law in Arizona stays put, which it will, the other states that you believe these immigrants will go to like New Mexico and California will definitely pass the same type of law. If I was in their shoes, I would use the resources I have in my country. There are jobs and schools in Mexico, why is it that they cannot use those? What is so horrible about Mexico that they have to illegally come into the United States and take jobs and spots in schools that our citizens actually need? Your obviously the ignorant one, go back to your country. And no, you cannot call me a racist because I am half Hispanic. My mother came into this country LEGALLY with documents, just like all the other immigrants should do if they really want to live here. Get your facts straight because you talk smack about something you know nothing about.

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  21. Wilfredo Chan came into the US with a Fake US Passport under the name Wilfredo Dizon and used to resides at 140 West 2nd Street Clifton, NJ. Was able to get a SS#, NJ Drivers license, and jobs. And later was able to marry a US citizen. Upon applying for legal status, Wilfredo lied on his application claimiing that he e……ntered the US through the Mexican border, but the truth is he came in with a Fake USA passport. Now he is a US citizen, now lives at 231 Sapphire lane franklin Park Nj

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  22. Disposable People

    There is a war going on at our Southern border. That war is not only affecting Mexico but it is affecting the United States. People in United States don’t want to know about it or think about it because we are partly to blame. We exploit Mexico and illegal immigrants from Latin America.

    The U.S. Government does not gain control of the border because U.S. citizens really don’t want them to. People in the U.S. may say they don’t want the border shut down for humanitarian reasons but the truth is, they don’t want the source of drugs and cheap labor to dry up. Yes you read the last sentence correctly they don’t want the source of drugs and cheap labor to dry up.

    Businesses can hire illegal immigrants for less than minimum wage, have them doing unsafe, unhealthy work and not worry about providing them safety equipment or them getting injured on the job. An “undocumented worker” as the liberals call them is not covered under workman’s compensation. If they get hurt, just get rid of them and hire another. There won’t even be an accident report to file with OSHA. The injured “undocumented worker” will go to the emergency room and everyone else will pay. The “undocumented workers” are disposable people.

    The “undocumented worker” also takes jobs away from Latten-Americans that were born in the U.S. or immigrated legally who would have to be paid at least minimum wage and covered under workman’s compensation. If the border was actually controlled, the price of marijuana, cocaine and heroin would go up because the supply would drop. The cartels in Mexico and the “pushers” in the U.S. would lose a lot of money. The cartels, pushers and users in the U.S. would be very unhappy.

    Next time you call someone “racist” for opposing illegal immigration, stop and think about what you are supporting. You are supporting the exploitation of the people you claim to care about.

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  23. Very few politicians have the guts to do their job, which is to give policing agencies the authority to enforce ALL the laws they pass. Too many think their political career is more important that doing what’s best for this country. The President & others say they are for a comprehensive immigration bill, but will not fund I.N.S so they can enforce the existing laws. Apparently votes from the Latin community is more important than doing whats right. What part of the word “illegal” is everyone having trouble with. If the current immigration laws are bad, change them. (If I lived south of the border, I’d do everything in my power to get the hell out of a very bad country into America BUT I’d damn sure try to blend in instead of trying to make a “Little Mexico” where I’d live)

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  24. I give money, food, water, and even fuel for their vehicle when they ask me on the street. I do not support illegal border crossing. I resent being called a racist because I support the bill. This shouldn’t be an issue. I understand the fear of racial profiling, but I don’t believe that will become an issue. Law enforcement doesn’t want to push this issue unless they see a need and that’s going to be under a crime. Criminals should be treated like anyone else and if they aren’t a citizen, then send them back.

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    • Honeybeeaz,
      You will only be referd to as “Racist” by the Open-Borders crowd, led by LaRaza (The RACE/ RACISTS).

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  25. WE as a nation are just as responsible for the problem as the immigrant that knowingly crossed the border illegally.
    Because of greed, sub-minimum wages, etc. has encouraged people to take the risk to cross the border illegally and settle here with their families knowing full what will happen if they get caught.

    The result is a new generation of children who thanks to their parents indiscretion have placed them into a predicament where they must constantly look over their shoulder and risk deportation when they grow up to a country that they had never known.

    imagination if that child was you what kind of life and future that you would have.

    As I have said many times before on my blog, under any other situation, that would be child endangerment and the child would be removed from the parents and the parents jailed.

    but not in this case. Why???

    it really does not matter now how the problem got started, but how we are going to do to rectify the problem.

    Here’s my proposal…
    1) Children who were brought here at an early age and have lived here for 5+ years would be granted amnesty.

    2) The children’s IMMEDIATE family (mother, father, brother, sister) would also be granted amnesty provided that they follow the INS entry requirements, which includes learning English.

    3) All others would have one year to leave the country and will be allowed to apply through proper channels to reenter the country legally.

    4) After one year, entering or being in the United States illegally changes from a misdemeanor to a felony, which include imprisonment. Employers that hire illegals would also face huge fines, which may include imprisonment.

    remember it is not the child’s fault that their parents brought them here at an early age, but THEY are the ones paying the price now for parents actions.

    I ask you, can we as a nation be so cold blooded and deport the children that have grown up here to another country by them selves to a country that they have never known and feel good about it? No!

    We as a nation HAVE to enforce the law and protect the borders against ALL foreign invaders no matter who they are and I make no apologies for that, however we can show passion for the victims [the children] because WE did not do our job and ALLOWED the invaders [their parents] to stay here in the first place.

    Also remember, there are many ways to be in this country LEGALLY, immigrants do it by the thousands every year.

    What do you think?

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    • Children who were brought here at an early age and have lived here for 5+ years would be granted amnesty. (Sounds good, but what about the ones that have been here less than 5 years? You still have to find them and deport them and their families, otherwise what’s the point)

      2) The children’s IMMEDIATE family (mother, father, brother, sister) would also be granted amnesty provided that they follow the INS entry requirements, which includes learning English. (How log do we give them to learn English? What if they never learn? What do we do then?

      3) All others would have one year to leave the country and will be allowed to apply through proper channels to reenter the country legally. ( as in #1, this won’t work unless they are located, deported, or you find a way to make them leave)

      4) After one year, entering or being in the United States illegally changes from a misdemeanor to a felony, which include imprisonment. Employers that hire illegals would also face huge fines, which may include imprisonment. ( Part one of this seems reasonable, but the second part already exists in the law and only requires that it be enforced)

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      • The Fourteenth Amendment ( July 9, 1868) was enacted to guarantee the newly-freed Southern Slaves their full US Citizenship; it was NEVER written or designed to create “Anchor Babies”. The RACIST OPEN BORDER Advocates (such as La Raza/ The RACISTS) will NEVER admit this!
        Other than the fact (above) your post is insightful and meritorious. Item #4, last item re:” already exists in the law and only requires that it be enforced” hits the nail on the head. The Federal Government has been like an Ostrich with it’s head-in-the-sand while Arizona is overrun with Mexican drug cartels and benefit- sucking illegal aliens who refuse to assimulate into American Society.

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