Immigration Law Debates It's Not Heard If It's Not Said

Even after the Key parts of Arizona immigration law were blocked, Fight over AZ law is ‘far from over’

Posted on August 2, 2010

Federal Judge of Arizona Susan Bolton  blocked  many of the major elements of the controversial new immigration law  just hours before it was due to go into effect on Thursday, 29 of July.

Latino community is enjoying the moment of Victory after  the Judge put on hold the part of the law that requires immigrants to carry proof of citizenship or green cards.

Government of Arizona and most of the people in that state faced a big disappointment as most of Poll’s show the support of the law. Opinion polls show 2/3  of Americans  support a  crackdown of the estimated 11 million of  illegal immigrants in the US.

From the other side Obama Administration calls this a Victory.

The emotions from both sides of the debates are running high. Both sides are running from rage to relief and since the Governor signed this law in April, both the law enforcement and  Latino communities  have been fighting. The 29 of July was anticipated to be the proverbial “light at the end of the tunnel” or if you want the end of the fight.

Instead, after today decision both sides are preparing for the next round of confrontations.

There is still chance that the law will go into effect. "This fight is far from over," Brewer said. Brewer is going to reverse the decision she lost on the 29 of July, ready to take an appeal over to the Supreme Court to ultimately resolve the case. Brewer stands by her choice and refuses to let Arizona sit back and allow ongoing Federal failures to continue.

Instead of working with the Obama administration to resolve the conflict, Brewer prefers to keep on fighting. She persists in her view that the Federals are not doing their jobs to solve the problems that Arizona is facing.

Defiantly she clearly stated: “I will battle all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary, for the right to protect the citizens of Arizona."

Those who thought that the 29 of July would mark the end of this battle can clearly see now that this issue  is far from resolution and the battle just entered a new phase.

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  1. 11 million immigrants if they are sent back that would give 10 million job openings who would fill these positions with so many people not wanting to work for minimum wage over payed office workers who wont even clean there own office people who dont even watch their own kids who is gonna go work out in the fields 10 12 hours a day picking crops not americans they have had years of oppertunity to do this work but they would rather sit at home on welfare living in housing americans can go for years looking for a job but yet an imigrant crosses the border and wallah the have a job its us lazy ass americans who creat long unemployment lines

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    • The 800 lb. gorrilla in the room is technology. There are planting and harvesting machines that you could get to do what Illegals do [quicker and better]. The brainpower does not exist in the very poorly educated…American citizens will take the jobs at this level while training on 21st century machines. the value of Manufacturing and Maint. along with more PRODUCTIVITY without illegal aliens will be a mini boom……vote for American Citizen Workers ONLY in November….

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    • alamo, nm,

      Who would do those jobs if the illegal aliens went back to Mexico? The same tax paying group of American citizen-workers who did them for a hundred years before the Mexican invasion.

      Don’t try to sell that shit …Mexico needs the USA, the USA does not need Mexico.

      Be legal, or be gone.

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    • Sorry, I feel that your thinking is flawed. LEGAL immigrants (that’s right, we’ll allow more LEGAL, MONITORED, and TEMPORARY GUEST WORKERS, from Mexico–to fill those jobs in the fields!) Personally, I feel we should give them BETTER working conditions and HIGHER than minimum wages for such hard work (if they earn it!). Earn your right to live in the USA (LEGALLY, if you want to immigrate LEGALLY!).
      And yes, many unskilled labor jobs will be taken–USA citizens want jobs!

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  2. interesting. people say that american’s don’t want to do these manual low paying jobs.

    the reason why they are low paying is because the illegals drive the hr. wages down to low levels. real employers who hire citizens have to pay taxes, worker comp and INS. these companies have to bid on the same jobs as companies that hire illegals, so they can’t compete with those companies that hire illegals because these companies don’t have the same costs which drives down the price for the jobs.

    if companies were not allowed to hire illegals then the wages would go up to a level were avg. america workers would do those jobs. it’s not that avg. american don’t want those jobs it’s that they don’t want those jobs at those lower wages.

    so if no illegals were driving the wages down, then the companies would be forced to pay higher wages until the jobs are filled.

    its the law of supply and demand. but, when you put the illegal factor into the equation then the law of supply and demand doesn’t work and wage pressure is warped.

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    • Exactly. Thumbs up. (Only technically correction: USA companies are not allowed to hire illegals–technically speaking—but they do because they can get aware with doing so. The enforcement of the law is not very strict (especially since the problem is so severe!). Also, some unethical, dishonest, shady employers, knowing accept false documents from illegals that “seem very legit”—thus, even though the employers KNOWINGLY hire illegals, the employers know that if they ever get investigated, they have a “documented verification” and can show that they “had no idea” and thought that they workers must have been legit.
      So, employers get away with hiring illegals.
      Again, as you said, it’s all about supply and demand–a BIG “Thumbs up”!!!!!!

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  3. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25983

    By the Constitution in PRINT for all to read and comprehend is verbage stating that States and the leader /Governor thereof laws are to be heard and ruled upon By the Supreme Court of the United States. All other courts are not valid………We are bamboozeled? by our own government that we pay the entire bills ,salaries and taxes,etc.etc…..how long do you think this will go on???their are many millions ready to R/R these enemies in our midst……we must do all possible to remove them in November and 2012!!!!

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  4. http://www.cis.org/articles/2010/259-259-vote-no-confidence.pdf
    Who is in control of ICE management???. Certainly not following their MISSION STATEMENT sworn on their hiring date. Sworn with a hand on the Bible not the koran.

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  5. Article 1 – Legislative Branch
    Article 1 Section 10 Clause 3: (Requires states to (enforce immigration laws using state MILITIA) declare war if invaded.)
    “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”

    Paraphrasing: “Every state in the union, shall, without the Consent of Congress, engage in War, when actually INVADED.”

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  6. Article 4 – States Relations
    Article 4 Section 4: (Requires states and federal government to enforce border and internal security using state MILITIA.)
    “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.”

    Paraphrasing: “Arizona and every state in the Union, is responsible to every state in the Union, for securing our Union against INVASION and DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.”

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  7. Article III – Judicial Branch
    Article III Section 2 Clause 2:
    “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction.” (See 11th Amendment)

    Paraphrasing: USA (Obama/Holder) cannot sue Arizona in the US District Court in Arizona, thus the ruling and injunction by Judge Bolton is nullified, also the case cannot go to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. USA (Obama/Holder) will need to file suit in the US Supreme Court. SB1070 has gone into full effect.

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  8. 11th Amendment: “The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.”

    Paraphrasing: Mexico has no standing in US courts against Arizona.

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  9. Code of Federal Regulations (32CFR215.4):
    “The protection of life and property and the maintenance of public order are primarily the responsibilities of State and local (County, City, School Board) governments.
    Aside from the constitutional limitations of the power of the Federal Government at the local level, there are additional legal limits upon the use of military forces within the United States. The most important of these from a civil disturbance standpoint is the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), which prohibits the use of any part of the Army or the Air Force to execute or enforce the laws, except as authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress.
    The Constitution and Acts of Congress establish six exceptions, generally applicable within the entire territory of the United States, to which the Posse Comitatus Act prohibition does not apply.

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  10. 287(g): (8USC1357)
    (g) (8) An officer or employee of a State or political subdivision of a State acting under color of authority under this subsection, or any agreement entered into under this subsection, shall be considered to be acting under color of Federal authority for purposes of determining the liability, and immunity from suit, of the officer or employee in a civil action brought under Federal or State law.
    (9) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to require any State or political subdivision of a State to enter into an agreement with the Attorney General under this subsection.
    (10) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to require an agreement under this subsection in order for any officer or employee of a State or political subdivision (County, City) of a State–
    (A) to communicate with the Attorney General regarding the immigration status of any individual, including reporting knowledge that a particular alien is not lawfully present in the United States; or
    (B) otherwise to cooperate with the Attorney General in the identification, apprehension, detention, or removal of aliens not lawfully present in the United States.

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  11. RSVP: boderraven

    Along with your excellent delineations for the law , added to that ,
    HERE\S another CHANGE America can believe in.

    ICE AGNETS CAST VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN AGENCY LEADERSHIP

    The National Immmigration and Customs Enforcement Council , which represents 7,000 immigration and Customs Enfocement agents across the nation, cast a \VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE \ for ICE Director John Morton and Assst. Director Phillip Coven.
    Union leaders said they have \abondoned the Agency’s core mission of enforcing U.S. immigration Laws.

    Ref: NUMBERSUSA for the full article.

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  12. YES LADIES AND GENTLEMEN..I BRING YOU MORE ‘GOD FEARING HARD WORKING PEOPLE JUST LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFE.

    WATCH AND LEARN:

    http://media.abovetopsecret.com/media/7409/Border_Security_-_Part_Two_-_The_Arizona_War_Zone/

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  13. Most american’s are a product of immigration. America more than ever need’s tax dollar’s. If your illegal and dont pay taxes and get services-(public schooling, food stamp’s, disability, SS, emergency room care with out insurance and never intending or cant afford to pay back, you should never consider yourself an american. AMERICAN’S PAY TAXES!!! Which afford’s you these service’s. If you dont pay taxes your putting a strain on an already weak system. I am all for IMMIGRATION…..LEGAL IMMIGRATION. If your illegal and get these service’s your stealing mine and other hard working american’s Social Service’s. When i retire i would like to have these service’s to help me live when i stop working……since i put in to these services i am entitled to them. I also think there are alot of illegal sympathizer’s in the welfare department that are giving welfare and other social services to illegal’s who dont have a green card or S.S. number. This is called FRAUD and they should be punished to the full extent of the law. I’m sick and tired of paying taxes and watching score’s of people that cant even speak english stay home and party and reek havoc on my neighborhood and never having the intent of bettering them selve’s or furthering their education with ALL THEIR FREE TIME, while i have to work myself ragged and BARELY SURVIVE WEEK TO WEEK. There is something SERIOUSLY WRONG WHEN THESE LEACHES ARE SUCKING OFF THE BREAST OF AMERICA AND NEVER PUTTING ONE CENT TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR SYSTEM. There is ONLY ONE FLAG THAT SHOULD BE FLOWN IN THIS COUNTRY AND IT’S RED WHITE AND BLUE……And these color’s don’t RUN. And if you dont like it….You can RUN……RUN FOR THE BORDER……BACK TO MEXICO OR PUERTO RICO

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  14. TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO INSIST THAT THE ILLEGAL ALIENS “PAY THEIR OWN WAY”

    Illegal Alien Statistics
    Interesting Statistics! Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate
    America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are
    read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

    1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to
    illegal aliens.

    (that’s Billion with a ‘B’)

    http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance programs such
    as food stamps,

    WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
    http://www.cis.org/article
    s/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/article
    s/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school
    education for children
    here illegally and the illegal adults children still cannot speak a word of
    English when they start school!
    http://transcrip
    ts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    5. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the
    American-born children
    of illegal aliens, known as “ANCHOR BABIES”.
    http://transcrip
    ts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    6. $3 Million Dollars ‘PER DAY’ is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
    That’s $1.2 Billion a year!
    http://transcrip
    ts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.
    http://transcrip
    ts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare &
    social services by the American taxpayers. -
    http://transcrip
    ts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by
    the presents of millions of illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP…01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and
    a half times
    that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, when they
    become adults,

    may add a huge additional crime problem to the US.
    http://transcrip
    ts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that
    crossed our southern

    border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from other terrorist countries.
    Over 10,000 of those

    were from middle-eastern [Jihad] terrorists countries. Millions of pounds
    of drugs, cocaine,

    meth, heroine, crack, guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the
    southern border.
    http://tinyurl.com/t9sht>

    12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass
    deportation would be over $200 billion, or an average cost of between $41
    and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute..or
    g/publications.php?b=deportation

    13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back to
    their countries of origin, to their families and friends. Money earned in
    America but NOT spent in America; thus not stimulating our economy.
    http://www.rense.com/general75/niht
    .htm

    14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are
    committed
    by illegal immigrants in the United States!
    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    Total cost of over $538 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!

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  15. I’m an american roofer and I can get a job.The illegal have over taken the work force.Please help people like me.STOP ILLEGAL help america and me.

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  16. The Snake’s Tail has assumed the position of the Head, which belongs to We the People and the 50 Sovereign States. We need to vote out all incumbents, except Ron Paul. But it really does not matter as every voting machine will have its modem accessed to switch the winners to the losers, so we will need a second revolution to sort this out. The Fed Banksters are running this show of the UN’s global corporation, so getting out the vote is useless, we need to get our guns and ammo and sort them out.

    While we are at it, we need to invite all illegal aliens to leave or become a slave in jail beside our greedy politicians and the CEOs and CFOs of the world corporations. Go to http://www.thespectergroup.com and get your DVD for $18 of 1000 military manuals, to learn how to escape, evade, survive and counter-attack the bankers’s thugs, when they order us into FEMA camps. Since these military manuals are printed with our tax money, they are currently legal, but not for long, as it does present a threat to the politicians and banksters security. If we do not go voluntarily in 48 hours, we will be declared hostile, enemy combatants under the Military Commissions Act, and shot on sight. That is the cost of your freedom. It is better to die fighting on your two feet, than live on your knees kissing the boots of the Nazis in power now.

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  17. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100813/ap_on_re_us/us_drug_war_pot_farms

    More benefits from the Cartels….They are unabaited and in a park gowing pot for the dopers that luv them…and we pay “ALL” the bills from this…..your government in action……..How many more are they IGNORING??????

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  18. they are stupid we came to work we are not stealing them. we are helping this country and beacsue of us this country has improve withut our work this country won’t bee how it is right now THINK FOR TTHOSE WHO ARE KICKING US …

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    • Anonymous,

      We do not need, nor can we afford your ‘help’ any longer. You are making the US bankrupt with your
      help. Go back home and ruin..oh, excuse me, I mean HELP your own country.

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    • Anonymous

      Start packing.

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      • okay lets site all these articles and laws.. lets be the same Americans our racist ignorant ancestors were. Americans are ridiculously stupid. They are bored with life so they must attack a group of people who they see just fit to be inferior. Lets kill millions of true Americans. Native Americans that is. Lets go forward and time and lets start killing, raping, beating, another group of people. Now 21st century slavery. Pay the Latinos cheaper so I can have more money in my pocket, and you idiots blame the immigrants. Where did you great grand parents come from?? I agree that we need to change immigration laws now more than ever. We need to do it with a moral and just hand, not immorally and disgraceful like Arizona. The younger generation will fight back. Can’t wait till the old negative racist ignorant generation is gone. You don’t fix a problem with hate. Do you really want to repeat history. I say if you mess up and your illegal. You are never allowed to step in this beautiful nation ever again. However, rounding up people and giving them no rights is a horrible way to get any problem solved. We have to work together folks!! I guarantee you no Latino is plotting to destroy America. We love this country just as your great grand parents did. They were illegal and now you act like that never happened!

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        • You have No understanding of history……You lost the war…you lost the war….The Treaty that was signed allowed Mexico to exist ,otherwise WE would own you…..Any Spanish speaker is European decent….you are a stupid Catel enabler who is able to comment for a Cartel pay check……and you think it will work to Aid ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIMINALS….Fat chance of that…American Citizens are FINISHED with Cartel employees ….what part of that don’t you understand?????

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        • Not only did you lose the U.S.-Mexican War (or Mexican-American War, if you choose to call it that), you illegals HAVE BEEN, and CURRENTLY ARE, draining USA resources, contributing to the downfall of the USA economy, taking employment opportunity from USA citizens, impacting the USA public education system negatively, straining the healthcare system, and contributing significantly to the increase of serious [crime, drug problems, disease and other violence in the USA].

          A great explanation is shown by a university professor; please search for-and watch–: “Immigration by Gumballs” on Youtube.com.

          Instead of making intelligent rebuttals to the problems (drug trafficking, crime, unsanitary living conditions, disease, taking jobs for lower wages, corruption, drain on legal system, overpopulation, welfare and housing resource depletion, healthcare strain and emergency room resources, and “Immigration by the Gumballs” explanations,
          you all seem to promote your same stupid agenda with ridiculous ideologies.
          Here are some examples:
          1) All European ancestors were illegal immigrants because only Native Americans are truly non-immigrants. (Well guess what–even Native American ancestors crossed a land bridge at some time. Wars were won, history was shaped, GET OVER IT.)
          2) Violence is not the answer. (I have to admit, that’s a valid debate. People will have many viewpoints on this issue. As regards to violence though, consider the high crime rates–even violent crimes–and gangs, rapes, murders, drug cartels and drug trafficking–by illegals–especially in ARIZONA? Isn’t that one of the main reasons for the introduction–and reason for support of this bill? Illegals have killed, robbed, raped, USA citizens. Personally, I am NOT saying that I THINK VIOLENCE is the answer. But we want illegal immigration stopped!
          3) Time for other solutions to get those agriculture jobs filled! Such as by LEGAL immigrants, for BETTER than minimum wages, in return for decent living and working conditions for a HARD-labor job well done! Talk about non-violent solutions!
          4) No free health care for illegals–or their families, even if born in the USA! They should just have to suffer and die, just like in other countries. I would not expect to get free health care if I came ILLEGALLY to another country!! That seems ABSURD! Hatred of people abusing resources after illegal entry is JUSTIFIED! HATRED–in and OF ITSELF is not an ANSWER or SOLUTION , but a natural, expected consequence in light of the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND THE PROBLEMS THEY HAVE CREATED FOR USA CITIZENS!

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  19. WHAT IF:

    What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?

    I, Tina Griego, journalist for the; Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, “Mexican Visitor’s Lament”- 10/25/07.

    I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, “illegal aliens pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes. What happens to your country’s economy if 20 million people go away?” Hmmm, I thought, what would happen? So I did my due diligence, buried my nose as a reporter into the FACTS I found below:

    It’s a good question; it deserves an honest answer. Over 80% of Americans demand secured borders and illegal immigration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers I found may surprise you!

    In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.

    In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grandkids would move back ‘home’, mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

    Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

    Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver’s 4% unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

    In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English.

    In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.

    If 20 million illegal aliens returned ‘home’, the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn’t be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

    No more push ‘1′ for Spanish or ‘2′ for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with ove r 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our over-crowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

    We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

    In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the ‘18th Street Gang’ would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

    Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!

    America’s economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn’t return to the aliens’ home countries by cash transfers. Illegal immigrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America’s economy, which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.

    At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMT OLA Act.

    Americans wouldn’t suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country–brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

    Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid-locking our cities. It would also put the ‘progressives’ on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11% of our greenhouse gases.

    Over one million of Mexico’s poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, ‘colonias’ or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, roads, electricity, or any kind of sanitation.

    The New York Times reported them to be America’s new ‘Third World’ inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I’ve seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it’s sickening beyond anything you can imagine.)

    By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation . It’s time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.

    OK Anonymous, explain this to me.

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  20. I live in southeast Arizona two miles from the Mexican border.
    For the last ten years I would laugh whenever I read the Border Patrol’s report on how many illegal immigrants they caught that month.What they didn’t report and want the American people to know was that when they caught them they would simply bring them back to the nearest border crossing and let them go back into Mexico.That very night they would try to cross over again.They knew that sooner or later they would make it.

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  21. Anonymous,
    No-we’re kicking you out because you can’t spell.

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  22. This is a change we can believe in in America

    New Jersey: Anti-Illegal legislation proposed in New Jersey
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-196431.html

    Only post state name and article title for STATES where people are announcing they will file versions of AZ SB 1070.

    I will check your posts and build our master list here

    # OF STATES ATTEMPTING VERSIONS OF AZ’s SB 1070: 22

    ALABAMA
    http://www.alipac.us/article-5570-thread-1-0.html

    ARKANSAS
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-197465.html

    COLORADO
    http://www.alipac.us/article-5571-thread-1-0.html

    FLORIDA
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1081285.html

    IDAHO
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-199712.html

    INDIANA
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-198939.html

    MARYLAND
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-196969.html

    MICHIGAN
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-198354.html

    MINNESOTA
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-196774.html

    MISSOURI
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-196852.html

    NEBRASKA
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1063462.html

    NEVADA
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-197562.html

    NEW JERSEY
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-196431.html

    NORTH CAROLINA
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1067121.html

    OHIO
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-196379.html

    OKLAHOMA
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-196263.html

    PENNSYLVANIA
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1052137.html

    RHODE ISLAND
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-199918.html

    SOUTH CAROLINA
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-197015.html

    TENNESSEE
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-204376.html

    TEXAS
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-196627.html

    UTAH
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-196365.html

    WE ARE UP TO 22 STATES!

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  23. Wake up America!! Do you remember the killing of millions of Native Americans by illegal immigrants who came to this country? 50 years ago people were being raped, hung, and beaten to death for being a different color. This is not about taxes!? It’s about human rights and freedom. I have lived all over the United States and I love this country. Colorado is beautiful, Tennessee is amazing, California has some of the best food in the states, now I reside with the love of my life in Texas. I was born in Guatemala. I was an illegal immigrant. I speak better English then most so called “Americans.” This in no way makes me better than any human being. I speak perfect Spanish and this doesn’t make me better than anybody either. This is about the older racist ignorant generation trying to push their immoral ideals on the younger generation. Wake up America!! Wake up younger generations!! We have a moral obligation to work together as a nation of different ethnic back grounds and color to make immigration a working ideal and not problem. I have Latino friends who work for 5dollars and hr. They are illegal. The contractor however pays their taxes I’m sure when he goes out and buys a new truck, jet ski, clothes. We have a moral obligation here. I’m talking to the younger generation. The older generation is just full of disgrace. I know for a fact that we outnumber whites in many areas, and that we contribute to building your houses and gardens. Cooking your meals and cleaning your hospitals, streets, and houses. American whites have become fat and lazy that is fact of the matter. I also don’t see how treating illegal immigrants inhumanely solves any problems. We need to work together and build this country together for the sake of our children. How many Mexicans are plotting to blow anything up?? How about ole’ timmy and Oklahoma City bombing?? How about 9/11? They crossed the border through Canada!! What is the issue here and what are we trying to prove? This country is a giant Illegal Immigrant! Where were your’re great grand parents born and how did they get here. Of course if your a Native American then you don’t have to respond. I just want to know how going around breaking human rights is going to solve any damn problem! It’s going to make matters worse and worse. Latinos, black, and ethnic groups contribute more to this country then any other group because their is more of us! Why don’t we round up all the fat lazy people and put them to work and see what happens? If you want to say stupid things like go back where you came from then go read a book and do the same. Think about the mothers and children of these hard working folks. They are being punished as well and why? Latinos are not going to be blamed for all of Americas problems and thats that. We are revolutionaries. We have the passion that Americans once had. Lets work together be conscience about our laws. If not I believe America will become more divided than ever and the streets will not be safe. Younger generation wake up and fight back. Write your congressmen/ women, senators, and law makers and give them hope for a better resolution then this. You know the Nazis did the same thing to the Jews because they were illegal immigrants in Germany. No rights just round them up. If someone gets hurt like a woman or child in this fiasco, America will fall apart. Instead of blaming a group of people blame yourselves for sitting around and playing on your ipod while eating hamburgers not contributing to your local community. Think Globally Act Locally! May God Bless the Universe and the United States Of America.

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    • It’s good to see The Cartel Propaganda Machine has hired a Propagandist who is verbose…..He might even Know That Most all “NATIVEs are ARE NOT native. Ie. came across Russia[chinese ,mongol,etc.] Alaska bridge islands…..Spanish speakers are native to SPAIN [decendants of Europeans] ALL Real Mexicans[and central Americans] are speaking Mayan,Aztec and derived dialects….So he might know most of his verbosity is Bu@l Sh*….For instance”we Are revolutioniaries??’….The country of your citizenship is WAITING ON YOU!!!” to take Carlos Slim And his BLUEBLOOD Spanish EUROTRASH by the shirt collar and tell him “MEXICO IS TO BE RESPOSIBLE TO IT”S CITIZENS FROM THIS DAY FORWARD!!!”……Why havn’t you done that ….it is simple …YOU are on the payroll of a multimillion dollar felony crime cartel and are scared to death to do any thing but what they tell you and pay you for……..If illegal aliens were MEN they would fight to show their children and grandchildren they were REAL REVOLUTIONARIES not Cartel Bitches……..be advised, American CITIZENS ARE FINISIHED WITH CARTEL PUPPET ILLEGAL ALIEN ENABLERS!!!….American DID AND WILL GET all jobs done by cheap labor by American Ccitizens and LEGAL Aliens usin THE LEGAL system….the revolution will cost your Cartels too much as the Govt. here may be partner every blade of grass and boulder is not……..

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    • Guillermo,

      You thieving illegal bastard. Get your hand out of my and the rest of Americas’ pockets. “Think globally, act locally”

      Go back to your homeland and tell them that. On the way past…spread the word in Mexico.

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      • Guatemala is not part of Mexico.. get educated first. And for all of the people who wants “illegals” out well, start for going out you first since this land is the land of Native Americans only. You Americans stoled it from them in the first place! You were the first illegals in this land!!! You killed, you stoled, you robed, you cross the border first. You just like to forget!!!

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    • Yes, it’s about human rights. Human rights of USA citizens, for a change!

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    • I admit that we have the “Right to Protect” other countries and their citizens, but they should not come to our country illegally. If you wanna come here become a citizen or get a green card!!!!!!!!!!

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  24. Dear Senor Morton,

    Mexico invites you Senor Morton, as our guest to tour our counrty and learn about our local culture.
    We wish to reward you for your recent decison by ICE, \of backdoor amnesty\ and \deportation modifiction.\
    What a clever hombre you are!
    Viva America, Senor Morton for breaking America Federal Laws.
    We break laws here all the time and your learning from us.

    We will provide you with unlimited Tequila made locally and all drugs , our main export.
    Guided tours of our contryside will aquaint you with our local customs.

    Do you perhaps have daughters Senor?
    Are they young?
    No problem, we don’t discriminate. We have a local custom called, \rape trees.\
    Other tours will include bodies hanging from our local bridges,
    Also, tours of mass execution sites of our own people.
    We think , 28,347 of our MX citizens, dead.
    But whose counting , there’re so many,
    You American keep complaining about beheaded bodies showing up on your borders and all those mass graves.
    But whose counting ther’re so many.

    Senor Morton we know your EL Presidente is the BIg Hombre,
    He keeps those Border States in-line and also breaks American Federal Laws by doing so.,
    But now you both have figured out a way to keep 17,000 people there and support them ,instead of here, Gracia !
    Mexcio has our ways to persaude you to continue to make these smart decisions.
    We like keeping foreigners as hostages.
    Mucho dollars in rasom and it helps to stimulate our economy.
    We know here, how vain you Americans are about \all things Mexico,\ We depend on it.
    You think we want to be like you.
    We don’t, we just want your America dollars for our Swiss bank accounts,
    We talk about your new Healh Care Program here all the time.
    Thank You, for including our illegal population living in America for all those Gingo Benefits.
    What a clever, clever man you are to screw your own counrty and trash all Federal Laws.
    Now your truly one of us!
    Enjoy your vacation in Mexico and thank President Obuuma for us..Viva America!

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    • Thank you Carol..that was excellent. I especially liked the young daughter/rape tree line.

      God bless Arizona

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      • Rsvp, Jersey Boy,

        We are reliving another dark chaprter in America’s history
        It’s called, “separate but equal,” as in the Jim Crows laws.

        Your probably the only one here that knows what that is.

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        • NOT Even Close…..only in the liberal mindset exists the fantasey of sb1070 = Racism…..Those who don’t understand the difference between the Black and ILLEGAL ALIEN population in historical context …also have problems with what the 14th amendment meant for freed slaves and specifically freed slaves…….All this misinformation is greatly appreciated by Cartel enabelers,So called illegal immigration lawyers and their Ilk….as well as dope users and cheap labor employers. I Invite anyone to actually present a cogent comparision that is historically correct???

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          • REVERSE RACISM VIS THE LAW AND THE AMERICAN CITIZEN

            WE THE PEOPLE VIS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S /MOCKERY /TO TRASH ALL FEDERAL LAWS FOR ENFORCEMENT.

            YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS AND ALL OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS / VIS POTUS TO TRY TO ALLOW BACKDOOR ANMESTY

            IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIST 100′S OF EXAMPLES/ THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO ERODE EVERY ASPECT OF CIVIL LAW/ STATE’S RIGHTS /AND NOW INTERNATIONAL LAW/ BY HILIARY CLINTON TO THE UN
            I’M GIVING YOU A PALCE TO START.

            I ALREADY UNDERSTAND IT.

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            • To paraphrase a Great American General……You do not capitulate,surrender or whine in order to win for your country…..You make your ENEMY capitulate,surrender and Whine for his country…heres a “Liberal Snap shot of what you propse is about to happen??

              http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai2/timeline.pdf
              …….Note the presence of VIOLENT and widespread killing behavior…..[now and near future]most responses are go to D.C. for a march,,,make comments……..wheres the lynching of whites by mexicans……wheres the wholesale beatings of whites and blacks and dragging 5 or six whites behind the trucks,,,wheres the lawsuits about “I ONLY HIRE MEXICAN WITH DEGREES?”….I’m Sorry I hit a nerve…I can’t go with volunteer victimology as it does not stand on logic or history….History dictates “ALL WHO ACT AS VICTIMS ARE VICTIMS”……I’LL stand with the ghost of George S. PATTON any day and laugh my ass off at his detractors……if they exist?………..
              ILLEGAL ALIENS AND THOSE WHO HELP THEM [Cartel networks liberals,communists,etc.]….may understand G.Patton in the future?

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              • FYI:

                National Geo Special :Border Wars

                Every Wednesday Night -Starting Sept-01-10

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                • I would not put all my intel /info eggs in safety daylight contrived reality tv if I were you as most will crack due to political correctness ,liability and the fact CARTEL OPERATORS DO NOT POSE FOR CAMERAS BE IT DAY OR NIGHT. and oh yeah ,the no interdiction from most hidden cameras is something they laugh at ……you should put time researching those who are playing or paid to help the Cartels SUCESS IN ORDER TO PUT THEM OUT OF OPERATIONAL CONTROL OF THEIR national network……MUCH MORE SATISFYING PASSAGE OF TIME AND WHAT AMERICAN CITIIZENS ARE PRESENTLY DOING….to bring this to an end you [not the bought off govt. hacks] will have to contrbute a piece no matter what size…..contribute ….or ……get out of the way whiners are non productive……I know superbloggers don’t like to hear that… I APPLAUD THOSE PRODUCERS……otherwise…..Whiskey Tango Foxtrot……

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                  • CLV -(W/T/F)

                    ” Cracked Eggs” as in Salmonella.”
                    I don’t think so.
                    The political hacks/ are suffering from /Mad Cow Disease.

                    NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY HAS THE RIGHT TO VIOLATE OR BLOCK OUR FEDERAL LAWS.

                    If YOU really have an insiders track/ about Cartels operating violently/ that you have written about for months/also a hoax and fake.
                    Go spill your gutts to SENOR HOLDER AND SENOR MORTON.
                    Grab these pathetic leaders and some local home boys and go South.
                    You can come back here and write about your/Cartel experience/ and also claim yourself as the /local hero.
                    The people I support/ are the men and women/ feature in this excellent updated series on National Geo.
                    They/ unlike you and me/ are on the front line every day protecting all of us.
                    Your last statement sums-up your entire comment clearly.
                    Whiskey-Tango-Foxrtrot
                    W/T/F/OVER/AND OUT

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            • CAROL,

              SURELY YOU KNOW BY NOW IT’S “WHITEY BAD” NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES.

              The non Caucasian races are banding together to beat down whitey..well not all…just the brainless ones. Next year NASA will be totally eclipsed by the African space program…..

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              • I forgot to add…with Mexican astronauts.

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                • RSVP: Pissed-Off

                  Interesting scientific technique.

                  Will that be the new/ definition for the term/”space monkey?’

                  They can dump all the MS-13 gang bangers in Americacan prisons/ the skies the limit…no shortage either.
                  What do you think?

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  25. http://apps.facebook.com/civiltalks/debate/17 – We launched a facebook application. Please, Voice Your Opinion

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